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What Fritz Katz Said to Piss-Off the King of All Lizards and How He Got His Gamey Buttocks Banned Off the Little Green Footballs Blog …

Background: European politician Geert Wilders gave a speech in Florida. The ADL condemned his remarks as “antithetical to American democratic ideals“. Master of the Little Green Footballs blog, Charles Johnson, quotes the ADL without allowing any alternative viewpoints, major hissyness ensues. However, Robert Spencer and ‘YID with LID‘ have an alternative opinions you should consider (Go there and read the whole thing!). Everyone is wondering: How could the man who coined the term ‘anti-Idiotarian‘, founder of one of the (formerly) respected sites on the right blogosphere …. become ‘Dhimwit-of-the-Month‘, a tool of the Islamic terrorist-facilitators CAIR, and the purveyor of a far-left hate site of weapons-grade crazyness? Early in a thread, Charles makes an appearance and tells his followers how and what to think. If you’re an LGFer you must up-ding his posts here or suffer the consequences.

9 Charles 4/30/09 2:38:03 pm +26

Wilders’ statements are about as un-American as it’s possible to be. I’m finished giving him the benefit of the doubt, and it’s beyond hypocritical of him to be touting “freedom of expression” at the same time as he advocates taking away the rights of Muslims. Disgusting.

Those little numbers on the right of each banner are ‘karma’. Many people on LGF have been banned for down-dinging posts of Charles or one of his cronies. Just who does Charles think he is, calling people ‘un-American’? Joe McCarthy? My opinion? I think Geert Wilders is actually un-American. In fact, he’s downright European. After careful consderation of what Geert Wilders actually said, I don’t think he is being fascist. I think he’s just being European. Banning books, ideas, religions, and people is something that less-civilized cultures such as leftists, communists, fascists, socialists, LGFers, and Europeans do. It’s their knee-jerk response to a problem. An American response would be to ban the bad behavior and expose the evil ideas. Deporting Muslim criminals, which Wilders does advocate, is certainly a good start. That would be American, right?

20 Charles 4/30/09 2:38:03 pm +20

Wilders is selling the view that all Muslims are evil and must be expelled from Western society, the Koran should be banned, and Islam should be outlawed as a religion. Sorry. I am NOT down with that.

. Is Charles being intellectually dishonest here or is he telling the truth? Did Wilders actually say that or is Charles just blowing smoke? Is there any way to know? Several posts pass and we see that there’s still some intellect left at LGF… from someone presciently named: .

57 Amused to Death 4/30/09 2:50:25 pm -25

well, in the first place, it would be difficult to “ban” islam. as a result of taqiyya amongst muslims, that is lying in the name of the religion, a “group” could “congregate” and do services in members’ houses or a place like that. nevertheless, i find it hard to believe that charles johnson and everyone else in this website is so against Geert Wilders. He is standing up for Western civilization, something that no other person or political party in Europe is currently doing. you may not agree with all that he says, but the ultimate message is there: democracy, and fundamental freedoms. this man can’t live in a house with his family, as a result of constant death threats from muslims …in the Netherlands…as a result of calling the Qur’an a “fascist” book. Who else do you see doing this in the West, in a dangerous Europe no less? The man is very brave and should be commended by you people rather than scorned. You guys just don’t understand, and so I see no purpose in wasting my time here.

64 Amused to Death [deleted] 4/30/09 2:52:04 pm

Charles: re: #57 Amused to Death Amused to Death Registered since: Apr 8, 2007 at 7:43 pm No. of comments posted: 13 No. of links posted: 0 Bye now! That’s our first Wilders flounce-off. Amused’s virtual beheading was followed by virtual cheers from the LGF cybermob, eager to gobble up some of those virtual karma points. Honorary Yooper: Then don’t waste your time here. There’s plenty of other sites amenable to your fascistic leanings. Piss off. An entire 13 comments since 2007. Sounds like a sleeper. MandyManners: Buh-bye! callahan23: What an incredibly fast Stinky today. Cudos. Kragar (Proud to be Kafir): Go waste it somewhere else then. see bs: I disagree.. I think we understand all too well. Geert crossed a line. DEZes: Can you say *POOF* pre-Boomer Marine brat: Took you ALL of that to finally get something right? DLTDHYITAOTWO! Mithrax: “DLTDHYITAOTWO?” … Ok, I’ve been on the net for a long long time, and lurking here for many a year, and that my friend, is incomprehensible to me. pre-Boomer Marine brat: It’s just th’ old … “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out” Oh fer gawd’s sake, people. Don’t you see that LGF is not “Survior Island” and he wasn’t voted off? LGF is actually “Lord of the Flies” Island and “Amused to Death” was “Piggy”. Still some intellect left, but I think SFGoth is probably next to be voted off the island. There’s still some life left in zombie but if he hangs around this crowd much longer it won’t be long until he too joins the ranks of the un-dead. Thom at #137 gets a -21 for questioning the ‘Dear Leader’, and calcajun screams: “Cleanup on aisle 137″. Walter L. Newton: You chose to be a bigot? You’re crazy. Git. haakondahl: Whoa. you’re drinking bin Laden’s Kool-Aid. Charles: If you ever read anything at LGF that led you to believe I’d be in favor of stripping away the right to freedom of religion from Muslims, expelling them from the country, or banning the Koran, you were very seriously mistaken. (everyone gives Charles a +14 for that remark). HoosierHoops: You are a good man Charles with a good heart. And this question was asked by: goddessoftheclassroom: “Is there a link to Wilder’s entire speech?” So, why not just quote what Wilders actually said? The ‘Old Charles’ used to say “Go and read the whole thing”. The ‘New Charles’ doesn’t do that. How many karma points could the truth on LGF be worth?

605 Fritz_Katz 5/01/09 6:31:26 am -5

Here’s the actual “Islam is not a religion” quote in full context of Geert Wilders speech: Let me tell you first, that Islam is not a religion. Islam is a totalitarian political ideology. Islam hearts lies at the Koran and the Koran is a book that calls for hatred, that calls for violence, for murder, for terrorism, for war and submission. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill Kuffars, non-Muslims. The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs, and Churchill, and I agree with him, Churchill compared the Koran, the book in the 50’s, to Adolf Hitlers book Mein Kampf. Ladies and Gentleman the core of the problem with Islam is twofold, First, the commands of the Koran are not limited by place or time, they apply for all time, to all Muslims of the World. Second, the Koran is Allah’s personal words that leaves no room for interpretation, therefore, there is not such a thing as a moderate Islam. Of course, there are many moderate Muslims, but a moderate Islam does not exist. As the Turkish Prime Minister Mr. Erdogan once rightfully said, he said: “There is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam”

613 Fritz_Katz 5/01/09 8:44:19 am -5

re: #607 Sharmuta Additionally- if the koran was banned, most muslims would be criminals worthy of having their citizenship stripped and deported. Geert says: “I want the fascist Koran banned”. Maybe if the Muslims could produce a non-fascist version (one with all the anti-semitic hatred and calls for mass-murder removed) then it wouldn’t have to be banned. Europeans have laws against hate-speech.

614 Charles 5/01/09 8:48:22 am +4

re: #605 Fritz_Katz Maybe if the Muslims could produce a non-fascist version (one with all the anti-semitic hatred and calls for mass-murder removed) then it wouldn’t have to be banned. Europeans have laws against hate-speech. “It wouldn’t have to be banned?” What planet are you living on? It’s not going to be banned. This idea is an exceedingly stupid pipe dream, dreamed by bigots.

615 Charles 5/01/09 9:00:15 am +3

re: #605 Fritz_Katz Here’s the actual “Islam is not a religion” quote in full context of Geert Wilders speech: That is NOT the full quote in context. This is: We should also stop pretending that Islam is a religion, sure, it has religious symbols, but it’s not a religion. It is a totalitarian ideology and the right to religious freedom should not apply to Islam. We should stop the mass immigration from Muslim countries. We have to stop it, today. No more immigrants from Muslim countries. We have to stop the AlHaya (sp?). We have to encourage the voluntary repatriation. Interesting that you somehow missed the part in bold.

616 Charles 5/01/09 9:02:33 am +7

And by the way, when Wilders says that he wants to deport Muslim “criminals,” please note that if he gets his way, Islam is outlawed, and the right to freedom of religion is taken away from Muslims, ALL Muslims will be criminals. This is just disgusting. And I’m appalled that anyone who calls themselves “American” could even consider it for one freaking second.

621 Fritz_Katz 5/01/09 10:37:42 am -4

re: #615 Charles re: #605 Fritz_Katz Here’s the actual “Islam is not a religion” quote in full context of Geert Wilders speech: That is NOT the full quote in context. This is: We should also stop pretending that Islam is a religion, sure, it has religious symbols, but it’s not a religion. It is a totalitarian ideology and the right to religious freedom should not apply to Islam. We should stop the mass immigration from Muslim countries. We have to stop it, today. No more immigrants from Muslim countries. We have to stop the AlHaya (sp?). We have to encourage the voluntary repatriation. Interesting that you somehow missed the part in bold. I didn’t miss that part in bold. Firstly, the statement that “the right to religious freedom should not apply to Islam” occurs much latter in the same article. If I wanted to include that part, I’d have to cut-n-paste the entire article. Secondly, Wilders said that Islam is a totalitarian ideology and the right to religious freedom should not apply to totalitarian ideologies. Interesting that you somehow missed that part in bold.

627 Fritz_Katz 5/01/09 4:44:15 pm -4

re: #616 Charles And by the way, when Wilders says that he wants to deport Muslim “criminals,” please note that if he gets his way, Islam is outlawed, and the right to freedom of religion is taken away from Muslims, ALL Muslims will be criminals.This is just disgusting. And I’m appalled that anyone who calls themselves “American” could even consider it for one freaking second. Why the “quotes” around “criminals”? They are criminals. Europe’s prisons are filled with violent criminals from Muslim countries — there are daily reports of honor killings, rapes, anti-semitic harassment, drug-dealing, … from all over Europe. Why the quotes around “American”? Good “Americans” such as Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Lou Dobbs, Michelle Malkin,…. all think it’s a good idea to deport illegal alien criminals and so do I. US prisons are filled with illegal aliens (estimated at 33%). California could save billions in it’s bloated budget by ‘outsourcing’ it’s prison population to Latin American countries. Wilders did not say to close ALL the mosques and deport ALL the Muslims — he made three recommendations in the article: 1. “stop the building of new mosques. As long as no churches or synagogues are allowed to be build in countries like Saudi-Arabia we will not allow one more new mosque in our western countries.” — that sounds like reciprocity to me. 2. “Close all mosques where incitement to violence is taking place.” 3. “Close all Islamic schools, for they are fascist institutions and young children should not be educated an ideology of hate and violence.” There are thousands of instances where this has been documented. You used to report on them here at LGF before you changed the direction of the site leftward. .

630 Charles 5/01/09 5:10:48 pm +3

re: #627 Fritz_Katz Why the “quotes” around “criminals”? They are criminals. Europe’s prisons are filled with violent criminals from Muslim countries — there are daily reports of honor killings, rapes, anti-semitic harassment, drug-dealing, … all over Europe. I notice that you completely ignored my point that by criminalizing Islam itself, you make ALL Muslims criminals. Why the quotes around “American”? Because I wrote “people who call themselves ‘American’.” The quotes are appropriate. 1. “stop the building of new mosques. As long as no churches or synagogues are allowed to be build in countries like Saudi-Arabia we will not allow one more new mosque in our western countries.” — that sounds like reciprocity to me. 2. “Close all mosques where incitement to violence is taking place.” 3. “Close all Islamic schools, for they are fascist institutions and young children should not be educated an ideology of hate and violence.” You have never seen me write that we should ban the building of mosques or close all Islamic schools. That’s a bigoted and stupid thing to advocate. The direction of LGF has not changed “leftward.” I refuse to climb on board the fascist train with Geert Wilders and Pamela Geller. That’s not “leftward.” It’s being sane and responsible, instead of giving in to bigotry and idiocy.

. Now I’m starting to wonder if Charles has lost his “sanity” and powers of “rational thought” (quote marks deliberate). I was pretty sure that I said that Wilders was the one who advocated stopping the building of new mosques and close ONLY mosques where incitement is taking place and Islamic schools that indoctrinate young children to hate and violence. And how did he make the mental leap of me ACCUSING HIM of writing that we should “ban building mosques or close all Islamic schools”? .

634 Fritz_Katz 5/01/09 8:22:28 pm -19

re: #628 Jimmah Fritz Katz, you have remarkably similar views to a certain Moe Katz that was banned from here last year. I don’t think there’s any relation, but I’d have to ask my parents: Tom and Alley. re: #630 Charles The direction of LGF has not changed “leftward.” I refuse to climb on board the fascist train with Geert Wilders and Pamela Geller. That’s not “leftward.” It’s being sane and responsible, instead of giving in to bigotry and idiocy “Leftward” is refusing to report, obfuscate, or distort the truth in order to push an agenda. It’s what “leftward” publications like Newsweak or the NYT do. I notice that you completely ignored my point that by criminalizing Islam itself, you make ALL Muslims criminals. Let me make it clear, I don’t agree with Wilders about banning books or religions. I don’t think even Mein Kampf should be banned. We need to point out their evil and expose them. Besides banning books and religions is against the US Bill of Rights. But Wilders is a European and he’s certainly being consistent in wanting to ban the Koran since the Europeans also ban Mein Kampf. Wilders points out chapter and verse where it calls to murder the infidels. Also at the link is where Wilders proposes to the Dutch Parliament to ban Islam and his reasons: Madam Speaker, I acknowledge that there are people who call themselves Muslims and who respect our laws. My party, the Freedom Party, has nothing against such people, of course. However, the Koran does have something against them. For it is stated in the Koran in Sura 2, verse 85, that those believers who do not believe in everything the Koran states will be humiliated and receive the severest punishment; which means that they will roast in Hell. In other words, people who call themselves Muslims but who do not believe, for example, in Sura 9, verse 30, which states that Jews and Christians must be fought, or, for example, in Sura 5, verse 38, which states that the hand of a thief must be cut off, such people will be humiliated and roast in Hell. Note that it is not me who is making this up. All this can be found in the Koran. The Koran also states that Muslims who believe in only part of the Koran are in fact apostates, and we know what has to happen to apostates. They have to be killed. Madam Speaker, the Koran is a book that incites to violence. I remind the House that the distribution of such texts is unlawful according to Article 132 of our Penal Code. In addition, the Koran incites to hatred and calls for murder and mayhem. The distribution of such texts is made punishable by Article 137(e). The Koran is therefore a highly dangerous book; a book which is completely against our legal order and our democratic institutions. In this light, it is an absolute necessity that the Koran be banned for the defence and reinforcement of our civilisation and our constitutional state. I shall propose a second-reading motion to that effect. I think that it’s far more important to ban repugnant and evil religious practices. .

634 Fritz_Katz [deleted] 5/01/09 10:29:22 pm

635 Charles 5/01/09 10:32:47 pm +1

“Leftward” is refusing to report, obfuscate, or distort the truth in order to push an agenda. It’s what “leftward” publications like Newsweak or the NYT do. Bye now! Take care. .

Obama has his own channel on the Dish Network

Michelle Malkin has a report about the new channel:

It’s all Obama, all the time.

Obama TV

SoulFixer TV.

HopeNChange News.

Is it a violation of FCC & FEC rules?

It’s not a FCC violation to have a channel that’s just plain partisan socialist or even communist. Perhaps after Obama wins and institutes the “Fairness Doctrine”, making conservativeness a “thought crime” then it will be a violation to have a channel with just one point of view.

Donno about the FEC violation. Isn’t that channel a 24-hour rolling advertisement and might be a violation of McCain-Feingold regarding contributions to political candidates?

So stop yer bitchin’ if you don’t like what you see on TV, change the channel — literally.

Why don’t conservatives start their own channel? There’s plenty of content from numerous conservative/libertarian producers (PajamasTV, HotAir, ReasonTV). We could run programs from MEMRI exposing the Islamofascists. There are hundreds on YouTube. I bet Rush Limbaugh TV (a.k.a. DittoCam) would be more popular than the Howard Stern TV show. There are many classic conservative movies.

The financial cost has for creating a TV network has never been lower. Corporations can buy 24-hour channels on DirecTV or Dish to reach their workforce nationwide for a cost much less than building a single analog broadcasting station. Maybe that’s what was done for the Obama channel.

New ATSC digital broadcasting enables more channels. It would be possible to piggy-back on an existing broadcasters in major markets like LA or NY.

People with independent / conservative / libertarian (small L, like Dennis Miller) free-market ideas are the majority in this country. They would flock to such a channel. That would be a huge market — and bring in huge revenue advertising and/or subscriptions.

Epiphany!

I’ve had an epiphany, see if this makes sense to you…

‘Progressives’ have a vested interest in people having problems.

If someone comes up with a solution to a problem, they will do everything in their power to block it.  If a solution actually works — they will publish lies about it and make it appear that it doesn’t work. If there  isn’t a problem, they will pull a problem out their wazoo and make it appear to be a problem.

This enables them to take over the government, and force their false ’solution’ down everyone’s throat. This false solution usually entails a bigger unwieldy bureaucracy, massive waste, and even more problems. They can use these new problems to consolidate their control over peoples lives even more.

We’ll call this new law of the universe:

“The vicious cycle of progressivism”

Replace ‘progressive’ with the label du jour that they currently like to call themselves: ‘liberal’, ’socialist’, ‘statist‘, ‘communist’, … Eventually they will wear out the word ‘progressive’ and have to come up with a new label. But it doesn’t matter what they call themselves, this law of the universe still holds.

Wind power cannot work. We cannot drill our way out of the energy crisis. Government is the only solution to the ‘crisis’ in health care. Terrorism is not caused by Islamists — it’s due to inadequate funding for liberals pet giveaway project in the mid-east.  The surge cannot work in Iraq.

Make sense?
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